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Some new thoughts on bass headstocks (I think...)

Post by slowlearner » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:51 pm

This has to do with Bass guitars, but I thought some of it might apply in the guitar world too...

Recently, alongside some serious thinking about reducing the weight of basses I build, it occurred to me that half the issue is too much weight in headstocks. Ie. we've got a stack of timber and metal tied up, where it becomes a problem for balance and weight.

There are answers to the metal weight problem in hipshot ultralights and Wilkinson Deco rotomatic guitar tuners like I've used on my recent 6 string.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Guitar-Parts ... 0871654657

So I took it all to the next logical point and started looking at reducing the amount of timber in the headstock. I figured, "neck timber is usually heavy. If I can use less timber, the headstock will get even lighter". Which got me looking at string tensions...

http://www.kevinkastning.com/D'Addario_ ... _chart.pdf

These are the figures for D'addario XL 34" 45-105 gauges strings at regular EADG tuning;
G - 42.8 newtons
D - 51.3 newtons
A - 48.2 newtons
E - 40.3 newtons

It was when I saw these figures that I realized most of the designs we use for headstocks put the tuners for highest tension strings a long distance from the nut.

Specifically, traditional headstock designs are all wrong for the forces they encounter.


My wife warned me, "I hope you're right. That's a pretty arrogant claim." She's right, but indulge me. I think I'm onto something... Here's my 6 string headstock.

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The highest tension strings are D and A respectively... FURTHEST AWAY from the nut.
That is to say, more than doubling the leverage on the headstock than the B and C strings (34.5 and 38.9 newtons respectively).

:shock:

So, no wonder Gibsons with mahogany necks keep snapping their headstocks off when dropped backwards. The two strings pulling the hardest are pulling up near the end of the headstock.

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Fenders are little better really with the D string even further up the headstock than the A. So a fall that might not result in a crack without the strings, is exacerbated with the string tension on the neck causing structural cracks.

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When I started to consider a good engineering solution for this problem, I realised the issue was getting the D and A tuners as close the nut as possible. This is counter-intuitive to 500 years of guitar design. However, people have done it. I'll show you two headstocks that feature what I'd call a "low tension" headstock.

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Gibson's 20/20 compact headstock.

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Atlansia Stealth.

I'm not entirely sure if these guys figured out the tension issues I did, but in the case of Atlansia, it's entirely possibly. The guy is awesome and his designs are decades ahead the rest of us.

Anyway, I hope this will be the stimulus for some discussions on building stronger, lighter headstocks and basses for players to enjoy in the years to come.

Cheers,

Pete

As a post script, I came across Philip Kubicki's article on the first headless bass built at fender and it's effect on cancelling out deadspots... Fascinating reading! :hyper:

http://www.vintageguitar.com/1772/fender-headless-bass/
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Re: Some new thoughts on bass headstocks (I think...)

Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:10 am

Pete, you should listen to your wife!

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Re: Some new thoughts on bass headstocks (I think...)

Post by GregL » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:20 am

Hi Pete,

Hmmm... I'm not at all qualified in this area, but, both of the "odd" headstocks you show have "locking nuts" ie the strings appear to be securely anchored at the nut. Wouldn't this change things? Couldn't you do the same on a "regular" headstock, and then the tuner assignment and arrangement would be less of an issue - or have I missed some other important points?

Thanks,
GregL.

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Re: Some new thoughts on bass headstocks (I think...)

Post by Ormsby Guitars » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:06 pm

It's amazing how much wood you can remove if you want to:

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The gibson headstocks snap due to the use of Mahogany (weak) and the largest truss rod routs in the business, the headstock angle, the nut being recessed into the neck, and the lack of volute.

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Re: Some new thoughts on bass headstocks (I think...)

Post by kiwigeo » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:49 pm

More holes than wood in this baby....
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