Interesting thread over on Ubeaut forums

[kiwigeo]

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f98/new-t ... ce-143562/

[Nick]

Interesting indeed, where can I find such gullible people as the OP?

[kiwigeo]

Interesting indeed, where can I find such gullible people as the OP?

Not exactly clear from the OP as to what exactly he got from Andrew Morrow....wood and a certificate or just the certificate.

[Alastair]

Interesting indeed, where can I find such gullible people as the OP?

Not exactly clear from the OP as to what exactly he got from Andrew Morrow....wood and a certificate or just the certificate.

Or whether the supplier of the timber was issueing certificate in Andrew's name?

[Nick]

Not exactly clear from the OP as to what exactly he got from Andrew Morrow....wood and a certificate or just the certificate.

Even so, to spout on a forum that the guy is an absolute expert on both wood certification & guitar building, shows some degree of being 'easily impressed'.

[ckngumbo]

"He said he is an expert on making them as he has done a course and made his own but . . ."
Well I'm certainly impressed.
New member huh?

[kiwigeo]

One of the Ubeaut members is trying to contact Andrew Morrow for clarification on what exactly hes offering....Im waiting for Andrews comments before making any judgement.

[Nick]

Yeah I'm not commenting on the guy offering the 'service' as I don't know of him or his street cred, it just amuses me how some people can be impressed to the extent the OP was/is just by being told a few things. I have a few early shitters sitting around the workshop, I was just wondering if I could find somebody like the OP & flog them off under the guise of "experimental & innovative".

[kiwigeo]

Andrew Morrow has posted to the thread. Waiting now for a response to Andrew's comments from the OP.

[kiwigeo]

Which might take some time..thread has been deleted.

[J.F. Custom]

Yesterday, I was simply left confused after reading that thread. Who was building the instrument? What did Andrew Morrow supply - just a certificate or a AAA grade set of timber and certificate? It was not the most coherent thread I've read.

Now it would seem it is no longer available - closed by mods I am guessing but why?

Martin, can you give us the gist of Andrew Morrow's reply seeing as you read it? What was he offering? What was his side of the story?

Somehow I am doubting Mr Morrow said it would increase the value of the OP's resulting instrument by at least $400 to have the certificate from him. May be some misunderstanding/miscommunication there.

Jeremy.

[peter.coombe]

All very puzzling, but to me it smells of scam, and not by Andrew Morrow.

Jeremy, Andrew strongly denied any involvement.

[Nick]

Geez that was quick! Andrew Morrow requested that the post be removed (I guess due to the way the post was proceeding & his response it was discrediting his name so he didn't want any electronic traces left) Jeremy but he did address certain 'concerns/issues' raised in the post.
There were a list of short sentences (in capitals!) addressing each issue raised in the topic. He basically stated that he made no claims whatsoever, was not associated with or claimed to have linked credentials CSIRO anymore, did not sell tonewood (yet, but was planning to at a later time), never made claims of being an expert in either discipline (tonewood or luthiery). Basically it all came down to the fact that the OP was either making stuff up for some,as yet, unknown alterior motive (I got the same impression as Peter) or had grasped the wrong end of the pineapple completely!

[kiwigeo]

Basically it all came down to the fact that the OP was either making stuff up for some,as yet, unknown alterior motive (I got the same impression as Peter) or had grasped the wrong end of the pineapple completely!

Yes all very sus' and the OP owes everyone an explanation. Hang on..looks like the OP no longer exists on Ubeaut Forums.

[kiwigeo]

Yesterday, I was simply left confused after reading that thread. Who was building the instrument? What did Andrew Morrow supply - just a certificate or a AAA grade set of timber and certificate? It was not the most coherent thread I've read.

Now it would seem it is no longer available - closed by mods I am guessing but why?

Martin, can you give us the gist of Andrew Morrow's reply seeing as you read it? What was he offering? What was his side of the story?

Somehow I am doubting Mr Morrow said it would increase the value of the OP's resulting instrument by at least $400 to have the certificate from him. May be some misunderstanding/miscommunication there.

Jeremy.

Jeremy,

I think Nick has already answered most of your questions. I cant find the OP's username on Ubeaut forums so Id say hes been nuked by the mods.

[woodrat]

...its all quite bizarre really...

[Alastair]

I've met and chatted to the Admins at UB at various WWWS. They have a high regard for peoples reputation, and little patience with irresponsible posting, (particularly when it comes from someone with no forum history or cred).

Suspect the OP met with the wrath of the forum

[auscab]

Did any one save the link to Andrew Morrows paper that sebastiaan56 put up ?
I wanted to read through that again when I had a bit more time.

An entertaining thread it was, things seem to have slowed a bit at times over there with the amount of new threads and reply's ,but the mention of $400 for a bit of paper with an opinion and it went to three pages long pretty quick

I would like to have seen what the op had to say, pity he was not more clear in the first place.

[Bob Connor]

There is a link to that paper somewhere on the forum Rob.

I stuck it on the server some time ago.

I'll see if I can find it.

I actually didn't think there was a lot in that study that most of us didn't already know.

Here's a link

http://www.gottsteintrust.org/media/AMorrow.pdf


Regards

[charangohabsburg]

There is a link to that paper somewhere on the forum Rob.

I stuck it on the server some time ago.

I'll see if I can find it.

Here: Report on Tonewoods of Australia in the Tonewood Forum.

Is seems that the ANZLF is getting BIG!

[ozziebluesman]

Rob I have the Australian Wood, Andrew Morrow paper saved on file. It is 7.5 meg and I can send it to you if like.

Cheers

Alan

[auscab]

Thanks for the offer Alan,
I should be right reading it off the link here, I don't want to load up this computer any more than it already is,it's getting pretty slow. But the day I get off this 40 GB contraption and on to something better I may .

Thanks Bob and Markus too.
one thing I was interested to see on that paper was the sound velocity of timbers along the grain, I don't know if that is the only source of that info about Aussie timbers, it's the first time I have seen it. I had someone waving their "sound velocity stick" at me a while back when I brought up a timber that didn't grow in Tassie , I was thinking then ,"where is this info coming from"?

[Kim]

As I recall this is quite an interesting paper but it is difficult to see how any data compiled about "tonewood" could be that useful. In many cases each 'board' will respond differently to the next off the same billet...Other than in terms of very broad generalisation, how can anyone say that blackwood does this and kingbilly does that?? I am not just talking about tone here, its across the whole spectrum of properties from density, stiffness, resonance, movement along and across the grain with changes of RH and every other aspect of properties.

Most all of these things change from one tree to the next within the same species and when you then take samples from one area to the next, the difference can be chalk and cheese as most all of these properties are determined by the environmental factors such as the availability of nutrients, water, and sunlight, along with soil Ph and trace elements all of which when combine determine how the living organism will stack one cell upon the next...ie. Lots of water and food and everything around must compete for light because everything around will be growing fast.

Such quick growth will likely produce large cells at a rapid rate....the wood cut from such a tree will likely be light weight and colour and the grain structure would be nothing like wood from the same tree that had grown with good light and worlds apart from one that grew at the other extreme of its range where the soil is poor, sandy, too alkaline and rain fall is 'just' enough. Here the same tree would most likely be quite dense and heavy and a good example here is blackwood...look at the stuff from tassie...nothing like the stuff from south QLD at all.

In my view, considering how very little wood we actually use compared to man hours in producing a guitar, its best to ignore most data and the prejudice it can bring (or otherwise) and instead concentrate on being really choosy about the stick at hand. Regardless of species, if your bit fits the bill for the task and you like the way it looks, just use the bloody thing and leave all the written info to the industry buyer who needs to know what he can expect from 13,000 m3 of whatever when he turns it into dinning suites for Hardly Normals 4000 outlets around AU.

Cheers

Kim

[Tod Gilding]

I think that I'm with you Kim, Just finishing a Blackwood build (you may have seen my post re the burnt sides ) obtained another side set, bent them exactly the same and no problems, I have a nice Blackheart Sas set that I'm starting on next, the bookmatched back set, except for the figure are completely different in the way they react to RH and also my scientific Tapping reveals differences in tone between the two back boards, so woods aint the same, even from the same tree,and even bookmatched backs that grew up together