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Hmmm Microtonal guitars

Post by Nick » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:33 am


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Be alright for the 'odd' scales of the middle east, be a nightmare for me though, who considers fretting to be the worst part of building guitars (Having the attention span of a goldfish I absolutely HATE repetitive tasks :oops: )
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Post by kiwigeo » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:53 am

Only two things required for re-fretting one of those babies.......a double barrelled shotgun and someone to clean up the mess afterwards.
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Post by charangohabsburg » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:11 pm

Aren't there easier ways to make a guitar that never plays in tune? :?
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Post by Allen » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:18 pm

Reminds me of all those drug company adds. We've found a cure for a problem you didn't knew you had.
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Post by kiwigeo » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:23 pm

charangohabsburg wrote:Aren't there easier ways to make a guitar that never plays in tune? :?
Yes there is....leave the strings off
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Post by charangohabsburg » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:45 am

kiwigeo wrote:
charangohabsburg wrote:Aren't there easier ways to make a guitar that never plays in tune? :?
Yes there is....leave the strings off
A new service offered by the luthier! Similar to this pencil sharpening service. :idea:
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Re: Hmmm Microtonal guitars

Post by kpcart » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:38 am

the examples he gave are terrible. what music uses this? why not just eliminate frets like a violin then? this kind of think will always have small interest, and sometimes be pushed by some academic for their own gain.

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Post by charangohabsburg » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:56 am

kpcart wrote:the examples he gave are terrible.
A matter of taste and tradition.
kpcart wrote:what music uses this?

Some traditional oriental music uses radif and other non-western scales.

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I am not an expert on this, but I believe (without having had the patience to listen to what the guy in the video says) the first example is somesthing like that.
kpcart wrote:why not just eliminate frets like a violin then?
Because traditional instruments like the Tanbour, Dutar and Ghaychack tuned to radif were (are) fretted instruments.

However, the second example (with the very crowded fretboard) seems to be based on futuristic "academic developments". Well, why not if there are people who want to play and/or listen to that kind of music? The only thing I disagree with are claims that such scales would cure a problem (one we actually don't have, here I'm in the boat with Allen).
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Post by Nick » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:03 am

Both toons were Turkish in their origin I think I heard him say. Indian (asian not merican) music uses some interesting scales and tunings but not sure there would be a need for microtones.
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Post by DarwinStrings » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:57 am

I reckon the reason they still use frets rather than fretless is a tone thing. So that the string is stopped on a solid fret rather than a fleshy finger stop.
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Re: Hmmm Microtonal guitars

Post by slowlearner » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:00 pm

Interesting... the first guitar he played sounded out of tune with the microtone. The second one sounded totally in tune and properly harmonic. Funny how even temperament just doesn't work for some styles of music.
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