Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

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Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by slowlearner » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:25 pm

I started building a few years back with the intention of building myself a 6 string fretless bass with a headless bridge. Well I feel like I've build enough instruments now to be happy with what I build. The spec is to build something that will do a convincing upright style sound, so right from the get go, I've been chambering instruments. Went on hols last week and discovered one of these...

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It's called a "Rebec" and predates the violin. The one in the shop was very cool (although obviously not period) and I was very tempted to buy it... until the shop owner told me the price and that she'd "oiled it" to make it "look nicer". Great. However, it did give me some great ideas re construction.
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http://www.cincinnatiearlymusic.com/rebec_rebuild.html
Instead of having a carved belly, the rebec had a curved convex belly with bracing bars (see upper right) and a body carved to hold the belly slightly convex. This stops the belly caving in. I'm seriously considering this sort of design. The body will, like the rebec, be solid but carved out to give it a chamber. I've got a few choices for top wood. At this stage I'm favouring some kauri pine I came across recently that's about 50 years old. Obviously, the bass is never going to be stunningly loud acoustically, neither were rebecs. However, I reckon it'll give the bass a very definite upright sort of decay and make it nice and light into the bargain.

Here are some rough drawings of body shapes. The body will be as close to 400 wide as possible.
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I'm wondering about the following...
1. what people think of the idea.
2. What dimensions people would use for the belly thickness and bracing given the tension of 6 bass strings over a 34" scale (BEADGF).
3. Neck angles and bridge break angles.

Love to hear your thoughts.
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Re: Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by P Bill » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:22 am

I think the pickups and bridge will influence how hollow it can be. If standard elec bass hardware is used, I would think a solid
lump down the middle would be needed.
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Re: Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by slowlearner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:19 am

I'm using standard pickups, but I'm thinking seriously about hanging them from the end of the fingerboard or similar. So there wouldn't be holes in the top for them. Bridge wise, I'm intending an upright style of bridge, but custom made for the job obviously. It also occurred to me last night that adding a bass bar and (adjustable) sound post to the mix might help the longevity of the bass too.
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Post by n~dl » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:40 am

Now there's an instrument I've never seen before.

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Post by n~dl » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:45 am

That...didn't work.
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Post by P Bill » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:13 am

My first Archie originally had only an under soundboard piezo. My mate bought it and wanted an end of fb Kent Armstrong. He has now added a Gretch pu , suspended at right angle from the pick guard, an inch from the bridge. This space has about
I in. hgt. to work with. The piezo is always on, the two mags can be off or one or both on /off. It sounds damn good.
I'll try for some pics/ sound this weekend.
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Re: Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by P Bill » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:40 am

Just as an aside, the lira ( after the rebec ) is still played today, it can have as few as 3 strings. The strings are stopped with the fingernail on the side of the string, not depressed

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Re: Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by slowlearner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:29 am

P Bill wrote:My first Archie originally had only an under soundboard piezo. My mate bought it and wanted an end of fb Kent Armstrong. He has now added a Gretch pu , suspended at right angle from the pick guard, an inch from the bridge. This space has about
I in. hgt. to work with. The piezo is always on, the two mags can be off or one or both on /off. It sounds damn good.
I'll try for some pics/ sound this weekend.
Love to see some pics.
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Post by lauburu » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:07 pm

My very first instrument build was a rebec, made in 1977 for a girlfriend who was into Early Music. Kauri body, WRC top. Used pictures out of books to design it. Had no idea what I was doing but it actually sounded OK. She turned vegetarian and gave it away because it had gut strings. The things we do !!
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Re: Crazy electric bass ideas - oldschool chambering

Post by slowlearner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:54 pm

:lol: typical
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