Make my head stop hurting please

[Lillian]

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Originally Posted on: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:21 pm

I need someone to pull a rabbit out of their hat.

The bookshop just upgraded their computers from XP to Windows 7. Yeah, that was a good thing. Outlook Express has gone the way of the dodo bird. I need to find an email package that will work in 7 like Outlook. Thunderbird is what I put on there, but the owner is anything but thrilled with it. He/I/we don't want to go to Windows Live Mail. It won't work for what he wants.

The only other package I've found is Eudora, but it's a beta.

My head is killing me from banging it on the desk.

Anyone have a rabbit?

[Bob Connor]

Reply by "bob"

Incredimail or Zimbra Desktop?

[Ronald_Handmade]

Reply by "Insomnomaniac"

Outlook Express, may be dead, but I have installed a full version of Outlook on my windows 7 laptop. That would work like Outlook, wouldn't it?

[Lillian]

Incredimail or Zimbra Desktop I have a look at those Bob.

[Ronald_Handmade]

Reply by "Insomnomaniac"

I must admit, I'm not the most computer-savvy person. I just went to a shop and said 'Do you have a version of Outlook for windows seven' and they said 'yes, now give us more money'

Or something like that, anyway!

(EDIT - I just checked, and it's "Microsoft Office Outlook 2007")

[Nick]

Reply by "nick o"

Insomnomaniac wrote:
and they said 'yes, now give us more money'

Or something like that, anyway!

Ah yes....... the Microsoft Mantra

[Lillian]

Bless you Ian.

Now to go find some ice for my head.

[pau]

Reply by "pau"

If you were using Outlook Express I wouldn't think Windows Live Mail is too much of a difference. I'd say Microsoft Outlook is a lot more different. Anyway, whatever you use will take some getting used to.

Paul

[Lillian]

I don't like how Live Mail functions. It seems to be MicroSoft's counter to Facebook. It appears to be geared towards those that want all the social networking and whatnot. Messenger comes embedded and can't be unloaded. It's not what the bookshop is looking to use for their correspondence.

[simonm]

Reply by "simonm"
Outlook is aimed squarely at big enterprises with their own mail servers and a lot more. It has lots of stuff like calendar/shared calendar and company wide address books built in. Various bits and bobs for collaborative working built in too. In many ways it is why big companies once committed to microsoft find it hard to move to anything else. It works fine as a simple main client too but the cost probably reflects what it can do in a big business. (Unless you get it as part of a discounted office package on a new computer).

(The company I work for moved to Outlook 2007 about six months ago but installed mainly on windows xp. We are only now slowly looking at moving to windows 7. I tried 7 a for a couple of days but went back to XP as I couldn't get it to run with one of our xerox printers but that was the only, but important, downside.)

The orginal Eudora (I used it from about 1993 to 2004 or 2005 and my wife still has - on macs) is essentially dead and the the "beta" which has been beta for 2 years is based on Thunderbird which was mentioned here. How far it has diverged from the original Thunderbird I don't know.

What did you finally settle on as I imagine this problem is long solved?

[Lillian]

The owner has decided to limp along with Thunderbird. He doesn't like the fact that the software resets fonts, (size, style and colors). The bulk mailing isn't working the way it should be. It will randomly drop names. But they are struggling to learn a new inventory system that isn't exactly user friendly. But is leaps and bounds better than the package they were using. He has his hands full you could say and isn't willing to keep trying different software packages at the moment.

Odd that you should mention printer issues with Windows 7. That has been a major issue for my work (county government). We have a floor of Civil 3D users (Autocad geared towards design, not so much for surveyors). We have been fighting printer and plotter issues since they started migrating us over to the new platform. They tell us that its an issue with the 64 bits users vs the 32 bit users and we'll have to live with it. Honestly I'm not sure if it's a software issue or and IT department issue. Both are very possible.

[kiwigeo]

Reply by "kiwigeo"

Lillian wrote:


Honestly I'm not sure if it's a software issue or and IT department issue. Both are very possible.

Probably more an IT department problem....usually when I ring up an IT department regarding a well known software issue the first thing they try and do is make out its my fault that the software isnt working.

The second thing they do is tell me to "pop upstairs" to the IT department and get them to sort it out. I then have to explain to them that Im 200km out on the ocean and the only thing "upstairs" is a drill floor and a bunch of burly roughnecks working pipe.

[Lillian]

Martin, sounds like they are related. Our problem is that our IT will not put us on a separate server/network from the County assets that need protecting (court, jail, taxes, etc...) so we can bring in an outside consultant to diagnose our issues. They're sure that they'll eventually figure it out. In the mean time we have approximately 80 users who are occasionally dead in the water because of a patch. We're talking engineers and techs. We went about eight months before they figured out what was causing our print previews and printing to take almost two minutes to spool. You could easily waste an hour plotting out a large plan set.

[simonm]

Reply by "simonm"

Lillian wrote:
say and isn't willing to keep trying different software packages at the moment.

Odd that you should mention printer issues with Windows 7. ... its an issue with the 64 bits users vs the 32 bit users ...

Yup .. that's it. TheXerox site claims the print driver is good for both 32 bit and 64 bit printers but windows 7 says no it ain't. The day after I went back to XP one of the other guys said that our IT dept had sorted it out. I haven't checked yet. But we probably have 100s of people in our IT support department and enough of the Xerox printers to make them listen so we may well have gotton a fix.

As for email, I've kind of default to Apple's built in mail programme - its good enough for most stuff although there are many things I miss about the old Eudora programme.

Did you look at Pegasus or the mail in the Opera browser. I've never used either, but Pegasus kind of jumped out at me because it seems to have a messaging feature built in. We use MS office communicator more and more - very handy and very well done.

[Lillian]

The shop owner uses a Mac at home. He really wanted to use them in the shop, but he couldn't find an inventory system that was guaranteed to work on a Mac. He's stuck with Windows 7. I refuse to learn Unix. Since I'm free tech support, he isn't complaining too much.


As for Pegasus, I vaguely remember it, but that was eons ago in a galaxy far, far away. Not surprised that Google didn't offer it up when I searched for email software though. I thought it had died like all useful things do, or bought out and slaughtered, which is more likely. I've downloaded it and I will definitely check it out. Thanks.

[simonm]

Reply by "simonm"

Old news by now I'm sure but just for the record.

Over on another site I hang out on someone mentioned this email prog -never heard of it before but the screenshots show it looks a bit like outlook. http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

[kiwigeo]

Reply by "kiwigeo"

While were having a b***tch about IT. Yesterday my brand new HP laptop here at work cratered. Wouldn't boot past the Windoze XP logo window. Wouldn't even boot up insafe mode...dead....schtung....el finito.

Brought back memories of my last windoze machine which was an HP. After 4 new mother boards I laid it on my driveway...parked my car on top of it..took a photo and emailed it off to HP and went out and bought a Mac.

[Lillian]

Good for you Martin.






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