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Post by Taffy Evans » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:44 am

The idea for this post came to me about a year ago but I did not get around to putting it together until prompted by Ben’s recent post about how to get started. Here’s an overview of my journey. Are you sitting comfortably?…then I’ll begin.
A looooong, looooong time ago a mate and I bought a book on guitar building between us, it was all hand drawn pictures and a few small photos and had only 32 pages, I tell you, posts in this forum are far more informative than this book ever was, [published in 1957]. I used to walk past a guitar and banjo builders shop in London called Clifford Essex every day on my way to work as an Apprentice in the wood trade. I used to get off the bus a few stops earlier so as to check out this shop. I was a banjo player at that time [Jazz] as well as guitar. But being a woodworker wanted the challenge of building a guitar as opposed to a banjo. . I still have the book; my mate lost interest, followed a different direction and got rich.

From the date of buying that book to building the first guitar was about 14 years. If I mention moving to Australia, gigs, motorcycles, wife and family, and food on the table I’m sure you will understand why it took so long.

What that early book did was to give me a basic understanding of the guitar and its construction, and on the strength of that I started modifying instruments for myself, and later doing repairs for others, which lead to building instruments. I started with a Dulcimer and a Mandolin and then the first guitar. I made all the mistakes you could make [and I hear people still make some of them today].

Information was so hard to get back in the 1960’s so I got used to collecting everything I could get my hands, and eyes, on. This started with cutting out pages from magazines, buying every book that was available then, on any instrument, and subscribing to many different guilds and publications. I also did post mortems on instruments and wrote down my findings and understanding of what I found. I had to chuckle when I read these notes a while ago.

As matter of interest I collated all the reference material I have acquired over the years, and I still have it all.
It consists of large ring binders full of collated information each binder covers a different area of lutherie, guitars, timber, machines, glues, finishes and a builder’s gallery. Also collected are the reviews of other makers guitars in magazines, both new and vintage, [would you like to know how many different ways there are to describe the tone of a guitar?]
Then came the internet and the compiling of these folders is not so important now, but I still collect hard copy from magazines ect.

Other medium for info is of course books, couldn’t find them in library’s back then, then videos [before the days of U Tube], and of course DVD’s. And last but not least the ANZLF and others like it. This is the only forum I find time to visit, but I’ve heard you guys mention others.

Anyway my list of information resources is made up as follows:
70 Books: Covering all instruments [stringed] both repair and construction.
25 Journals: Mugwumps, Jammn.

130 Guild quarterly journals: My only contact with other builders for most of my time building and repairing
10 videos: Repairs and Building
10 DVD’s Repairs and Building
15 Large Ring Binders: Info from every one about everything lutherie.

And now the wide world web of guitars and people, and a real sense of belonging to a community of like minded people who I can actually communicate with through this forum. We really should have a Christmas party, or whatever you want to call it.

Pheeeew, Ben look what you started. Thanks for reading.

Showing,Guild Journals, ring binders and some of the books.
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Post by jeffhigh » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:57 am

Hi Taffy,
Interesting to hear your story.
Just a few weeks ago, I bought a second hand copy of David Russell Young's Book from the 70's.
I had seen pictures of his guitars back in the day and was interested to see his methods.
The world of guitarmaking certainly has changed since then
Do not take the following as disrespectful to the builders of the time, we stand on their shoulders.

Epoxy butt joint necks?
3/8" wide by 1/2 inch top braces left rectangular in section?
Uncapped X
Overall what would now be considered overbraced
Extolling the benefits of Titebond over hide glue?
1/4" by 1/2" steel bar neck reinforcement.

And obviously no usage of radius dishes/ go bars
we have it easy these days.

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Post by John Steele » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:21 pm

My "first book" was Arthur E. Overholtzer's which I got around the same time as David Russell Young's book. I have a 12 string built in DRY's 'style' from 1982-83. The epoxy neck join is fine but has always been neck heavy, go figure with a walnut neck, 12 shallers and that steel bar! :o
But the real score to my collection is Jack Fry's NOVA show: the mystery of the violin. I saw it once in 1981 and it basically started all this madness. I have just recently aquired a copy of the show and must say after watching it a 2nd time, I can see why it caught my attention!
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Post by Taffy Evans » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:43 pm

Yes guy's I have those books and have followed what they said to the letter at times, [timber was too expensive and hard to get to try a different approach], different now tho. I still do a lot of what they said and did. I like to try it and see, some ideas work and some I have modified. I even boiled my rosewoood to remove the oils [at one period] as stated in Overholzers book.

Its not that I don't trust anybody, but having had nobody to discuss things with in the past, its been a case of "suck it and see" for me. Great for experiences gained but a slower trip than now days.
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Post by John Steele » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:17 pm

Arthur E lived about 90 minutes north of me in Chico, CA. Never went to see him although thought about it many times and always talked myself out of it...
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Don't forget his 'horn style' body, with deeper upper bout.
Maybe you should have opted for his acetone bath wash for your RW! :lol:
He did have some nice tooling. He made that side bending mold himself. Cast AL with an internal 110 heat element. Sweet!
He built based on knowledge he had aquired over his life.
He did build an instrument that won grand master of a national org. No small feat to say the least.
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