Scary Hide stuff
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Scary Hide stuff
From today's news here in the UK. I'm glad I make stringed instruments and that the process of making hide-glue HOPEFULLY kills off any anthrax spores. I know all the jokes about bhodran players but this is extreme (Instruments of Mass Destruction ):
"A drum-maker who inhaled anthrax spores while handling imported animal skins remains critically ill. The man, from Hackney, east London, is in intensive care at the Homerton University Hospital, London. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) said the man's flat in Hackney was sealed off for examination and his workshop, which is also in the borough, will be checked next week. Seven other people who had been in the room where the skins were prepared have been given antibiotics as a precautionary measure. The HPA said nobody else had developed any symptoms. Professor Nigel Lightfoot, the HPA's chief adviser, said: "We have stressed to all residents throughout this incident that there is no risk to their health as a result of the case of anthrax, or the testing that will be carried out.
"The patient's property is currently secured and there is no-one living there. If this testing reveals the presence of anthrax spores then this information will be communicated to local residents and specialist cleaning will be carried out to remove any trace of anthrax from the property. It is important to stress that it is the making of animal skin drums that is the risk for coming into contact with anthrax rather than playing or handling drums. We are however keen to reiterate to all individuals who make drums from imported animal skins that there is a risk of coming into contact with anthrax and that they should ensure they are aware of this and take precautions to protect themselves when making these drums."
The team examining the properties wear protective clothing and use a tent to prevent the potential transfer of bacteria. "
"A drum-maker who inhaled anthrax spores while handling imported animal skins remains critically ill. The man, from Hackney, east London, is in intensive care at the Homerton University Hospital, London. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) said the man's flat in Hackney was sealed off for examination and his workshop, which is also in the borough, will be checked next week. Seven other people who had been in the room where the skins were prepared have been given antibiotics as a precautionary measure. The HPA said nobody else had developed any symptoms. Professor Nigel Lightfoot, the HPA's chief adviser, said: "We have stressed to all residents throughout this incident that there is no risk to their health as a result of the case of anthrax, or the testing that will be carried out.
"The patient's property is currently secured and there is no-one living there. If this testing reveals the presence of anthrax spores then this information will be communicated to local residents and specialist cleaning will be carried out to remove any trace of anthrax from the property. It is important to stress that it is the making of animal skin drums that is the risk for coming into contact with anthrax rather than playing or handling drums. We are however keen to reiterate to all individuals who make drums from imported animal skins that there is a risk of coming into contact with anthrax and that they should ensure they are aware of this and take precautions to protect themselves when making these drums."
The team examining the properties wear protective clothing and use a tent to prevent the potential transfer of bacteria. "
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You mean this bloke http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Health ... In_Hackney
Hide glue is Gelatine. The process for making gelatine involves stripping the proteins out of hides using strong alakalis (pH <2.2)and lots of boiling and finally low temperature spray drying. The health risks for gelatines tend to be from the water used in the manufacturing process. Historically Salmonella and eColi have been the issues with Gelatines in Australia. These become a problem when the treatment water in the later stages is not sufficiently purified. I expect Europe would be the same Dave.
From Wikipedia "Anthrax cannot be spread directly from person to person, but a patient’s clothing and body may be contaminated with anthrax spores. Effective decontamination of people can be accomplished by a thorough wash down with anti-microbe effective soap and water. Waste water should be treated with bleach or other anti-microbial agent. Effective decontamination of articles can be accomplished by boiling contaminated articles in water for 30 minutes or longer. Chlorine bleach is ineffective in destroying spores and vegetative cells on surfaces, though formaldehyde is effective. Burning clothing is very effective in destroying spores." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax )
In relation to drum skins, it makes more sense to use Skippy doesnt it.
Hide glue is Gelatine. The process for making gelatine involves stripping the proteins out of hides using strong alakalis (pH <2.2)and lots of boiling and finally low temperature spray drying. The health risks for gelatines tend to be from the water used in the manufacturing process. Historically Salmonella and eColi have been the issues with Gelatines in Australia. These become a problem when the treatment water in the later stages is not sufficiently purified. I expect Europe would be the same Dave.
From Wikipedia "Anthrax cannot be spread directly from person to person, but a patient’s clothing and body may be contaminated with anthrax spores. Effective decontamination of people can be accomplished by a thorough wash down with anti-microbe effective soap and water. Waste water should be treated with bleach or other anti-microbial agent. Effective decontamination of articles can be accomplished by boiling contaminated articles in water for 30 minutes or longer. Chlorine bleach is ineffective in destroying spores and vegetative cells on surfaces, though formaldehyde is effective. Burning clothing is very effective in destroying spores." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax )
In relation to drum skins, it makes more sense to use Skippy doesnt it.
make mine fifths........
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Sebastiaan,
That's reassuring to know - I assumed the heat and chemicals would kill any anthrax spores on the hides.
Great idea - a kangaroo skin bhodran would come with it's own pouch to keep the tippler (and most times the bhodran player) in
That's reassuring to know - I assumed the heat and chemicals would kill any anthrax spores on the hides.
Great idea - a kangaroo skin bhodran would come with it's own pouch to keep the tippler (and most times the bhodran player) in
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After reading that anthrax story on the sky news link, I clicked on the one about Liquid Smoking, and was amused by what United Drinks and Beauty Corporation CEO Martin Hartman had to say about the product's safety.
An "indigenous African herbal extract" provides a "slight energizing effect followed by a "euphoric sense of calming".
Mr Hartman said: "It can't harm anybody. You can't get addicted to a natural plant like this."
Someone should tell him that tobacco, marijuana and papaver somniforum are natural plants too.
An "indigenous African herbal extract" provides a "slight energizing effect followed by a "euphoric sense of calming".
Mr Hartman said: "It can't harm anybody. You can't get addicted to a natural plant like this."
Someone should tell him that tobacco, marijuana and papaver somniforum are natural plants too.
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I dont think tanning processes are that severe Dave. Vegetative spores are very difficult to kill, that goes for all of the pathogens I know of. The only practical way to find out if they are there is to provide them with ideal conditions and then grow them up for identification. PITA from a public health point of view.Dave White wrote:That's reassuring to know - I assumed the heat and chemicals would kill any anthrax spores on the hides.
Hippety, Dont worry, if it works it will be illegal soon
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Apparently it's suitable for children, too...Hippety Hop wrote:After reading that anthrax story on the sky news link, I clicked on the one about Liquid Smoking, and was amused by what United Drinks and Beauty Corporation CEO Martin Hartman had to say about the product's safety.
An "indigenous African herbal extract" provides a "slight energizing effect followed by a "euphoric sense of calming".
Mr Hartman said: "It can't harm anybody. You can't get addicted to a natural plant like this."
Someone should tell him that tobacco, marijuana and papaver somniforum are natural plants too.
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