Bandsaw problems

[demonx]

So!

How did you go?

Also, did you order the 1" resaw king to go with the saw? That's the second half of the magic combo

[simso]

Was too tired to do it yesterday, so I took the day off.

Was the first day off since 3rd of december (except christmas day)

I will hoist it up during the week, yes got the resaw king 1 inch blade as well

[simso]

Do you know if there's an attachment for extending the fence height for resawing tops and backs.

I have a nice slab of American walnut that I want to slice up into some backs,

I could just mm ale something but so far have been pretty impressed with there product so wouldn't hesitate to buy one of there accessory parts

Ps, one of the best resawing setups I have ever used, can cut a veneer .8mm thick over a distance of 500mm with no wander, and consistenly thick within .05mm over the whole piece

Steve

[needsmorecowbel]

Steve I saw a thing Laguna Make called the Drift King or Drift Master at the woodworking show here in Melb. It was about $400 bucks for the drift adjustable fence and another $200-350 for the taller fence attachment. The fence was only about 250 mm tall from memory. It seems like one of those luxury attachments for someone like myself who just uses the saw fairly infrequently but if you are using it every day then maybe it's not so much of an investment. In my opinion for 600 bucks you could just make a really nice fence that could be designed to be drift adjustable...

As it is designed as a resaw bandsaw my only beef with the machine is that it could have come with a taller fence.



Did you have any issues with the pulley?

Stu

[simso]

Now that's a nice tall fence, is that yours, is that available, it's absolutely perfect.

Just had a read on the drift master, that's like an attachment for other peoples machines to compensate for drift, on my other bandsaw that would be needed when resawing as it's pretty average at making a blade track straight, we use it now mainly for free hand scroll work with a 3mm blade and it's perfect for that

The laguna IMO doesn't need a drift master, it tracks perfect every time, I cut veneers under a mm thick every day on it, and it's super consistent.

What pulley issues are you talking about.

My only dislike with the machine is the on/off switch is at the back of the machine which I think is stupid, one day I'll move it.

[needsmorecowbel]

As in getting it upstairs. That's just from googling "drift master"

"Veneer King"

http://www.gregmach.com/Machinery/Acces ... sories.pdf

Can't remember the price of it from the Woodworking show but I'd say it would be up around the $300-400. I remember all up it was about $850 for both the drift master and the veneer king. I think Greg Mach was the main stockist.

I can't angle the stock fence enough to get a super straight cut. But then maybe I just don't know what I'm doing. I'm not using the same blade as you though. I'm using a lennox 1 inch T.C so it is a thicker blade.

[Kim]

The laguna IMO doesn't need a drift master, it tracks perfect every time, I cut veneers under a mm thick every day on it, and it's super consistent.

Not being a smart arse but I believe drift issues are the result of variations in the set and/or sharpness of the band.

This is why most commercial band saws have a fence that can be adjusted to match the drift angle of the particular band you're running on the machine at any given time. If you not getting any drift from the current band, it speaks more of the quality of that particular band than it does of the saw. As that band becomes more dull you will likely see an element of drift come in to play. If not then, then once you've send it off for sharpening you'll be sure to notice the change when you get it back.

Cheers

Kim

[simso]

I don't know Kim, I believe quality has a lot to do with it, my other bandsaw is a hare and Forbes special scheppach unit, I've tried this good blade on it and I get drift / uneven cutting / jamming you name it, no possibility of a great cut, good cut yes with fine tuning, allowing for drift and so forth.

This newer bandsaw the laguna, no fine tuning, just fitted the blade, set the guides and preload on the blade and first cut perfect 1.5mm thickness over a 100mm height by 50mm wide plank, I mean it cut fast and straight with no wander.

I agree once the blade is blunt, no matter how good the machine you will get drift, and have to compensate for it

[simso]

Stu,

I'll contact gregmach tomorrow, that guide is perfect for what I need, thanks for the link

Steve

[needsmorecowbel]

No worries Steve, I did like the look of it but way out of my budget and needs

I'll have to get someone to have a look at my saw setup, make sure it's running correctly. I assumed as I was told by someone that you had to adjust the blade drift/ angle each time you put on a new blade/ tensioned the blade. Was told it wasn't a tricky thing to do every time you go to re tension the blade and use the machine each day. That being said I haven't done much testing of the saw.

Stu

[Herr Dalbergia]

My "Driftmaster" is a 250g hamer, my "Veneerking" cost me about 2 Euro, or Dollar, or whatever...and I have even....a.....let me think.....a....."pressuremaster" (some wheels, and an old tube from a bycilcle tire....). The money I saved with this, I rather spend on wood than on nice, useful accessoires which are "a bit" overpriced"...for my taste.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1157931855 ... redirect=1

https://picasaweb.google.com/115793185519493121307




cheers, alex

[curly]

I agree that drift is largely a function of machine set up , particularly properly set up guides . Too much gap in the guides or guides that don't pick up the entirety of the band behind the gullet are the number one cause other than blunt bands . Grain run off can cause wander to one side - drift but this is a luthiers forum , that stock should be rejected .
Deeper bands make a proper difference in keeping cuts true , inch and a half plus I prefer though inch does it if you feed slower. This is not so much because the deeper band tracks better but when you load up a deep band properly supported by guides on its beam edge it is much less prone to distortion . Think of deflection in a roof beam > A shallow one can bow easily , a deep one will only bow under a much greater load . If the deep one does bend it will want to belly out sideways , not deflect on edge .
In your bandsaw the guides prevent the ribbon deflecting sideways and the thrust plate/bearing prevents the band deflecting backwards .
If you really want to compensate drift then just clamp a suitable fence to the table , it works a treat .
Pete

[demonx]

Steve:

Doesn't your Laguna have the off switch on the side? The foot switch?

I never use the rear switch to turn off, only to turn on, which isn't a hassle as after you've done it enough times your hand just goes straight to the right spot.

I'm glad you're liking the saw, I'd hate to have recommended a disappointment . I've not once regretted my purchase and everyone who has seen it has been impressed

[needsmorecowbel]

Would a 200mm fence do pretty much anything you'd need it for Steve?

Stu

[simso]

Absolutley

[simso]

Steve:
I never use the rear switch to turn off, only to turn on, which isn't a hassle as after you've done it enough times your hand just goes straight to the right spot.

Guess what, the switch on the back, is only in that position for shipping, you unbolt the two screws and turn it around, Umm duhh, I should have seen that before.

[demonx]

Guess what, the switch on the back, is only in that position for shipping, you unbolt the two screws and turn it around, Umm duhh, I should have seen that before.

To be honest, I've never looked at it myself, I just left it where it was.

[simso]

To be honest, I've never looked at it myself, I just left it where it was.

The duh was in reference to me, until I contacted laguna, I had it the same, they referred me to the instruction manual with the machine where it tells you to move it from the storage position, it even had photos to show what to do.

But we are males, we don't need no instruction manual, bwahahaha

[demonx]

There was an instruction manual?

[simso]

There was an instruction manual?

Yep, and it works better with the switch turned around to its proper position - go figure


For all those that may be interested, the veneer king is $1800, and no I did not buy it

[needsmorecowbel]

WHATTTTTTT? Sorry about that Steve...I could have sworn the price was far more reasonable

[simso]

Yeh, I do not understand either, the fence itself from laguna in the states is 290 usd, the complete drift system as mentioned is 355 usd and an additional tall fence for the drift system was 155 add on.

I might send john another email to recheck his prices, because it really is a bit out there

[needsmorecowbel]

Yeah...I bet you spilled your coffee when you got that email

[simso]

Yep

[demonx]

Crikey!