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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:25 pm

Found a bit of time this week to work on the lute in between hours spent on the bike training for the SA Police run ride this Sunday here in Adelaide.

Glued up the swiss spruce soundboard (from Tim..thanks) and got it rough thicknessed to around 2mm. Exact thickness was determined by flexing the board after each planing session as shown in the photo. Next step is working to final thickness with scrapers and the block plane. The top on a lute is thickest around the bridge area and thins down to around 1.3mm around the rosette area.
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by Kim » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:37 pm

Lovely silky swiss spruce shavings coming from the L&N smoother Marty. 8)

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:56 pm

Yeah I really love that plane.....ya cant beat a well made hand tool. I usually work with a toothed blade in my guitar tops but for the lute top I sharpened up the standard blade and had it adjusted so the shavings coming out of the throat of the plane were transparent.
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by matthew » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:07 pm

We wanna see those microchisels you made

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:27 pm

matthew wrote:We wanna see those microchisels you made
Oh yeah I forgot about them. Theyre not as pretty as the LN plane but theyre functional. Ill put up some pics tomorrow.

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:38 pm

Latest progress. The top has been worked to final thickness with a block plane and then scrapers. Thickness is around 1.8mm just south of the bridge and gets down to 1.3mm in the rosette area. The rosette pattern is glued on the front of the top and a reinforcing patch of fine art paper is glued on the underside. Pics of the tools Ill use to cut the rosette are pictured including the microchisels I made up from hacksaw blades. The handles are a bit rough but the blades are razor sharp.
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Post by matthew » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:03 pm

Deep breath ... measure twice cut once etc etc

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Post by Puff » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 pm

Sound advice - please excuse the pun - good luck, good sight and a steady hand be with you :cl

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by Nick » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:05 am

For sooth good sir, tis a fine looking piece of wood thou duth havest for the top of this lute. Utmost good fortune in carving of the soundhole..........or you could get it laser cut :lol: :lol: .
Glad to see you've taken up the tools on this one again Martin, will you be cutting/piercing the soundhole before heading out to the rig or leave it until your return?
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by matthew » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:35 am

Seeing those chisels reminds me I have a few knives and thumb planes I must make for the next build. I enjoy making tools, but it always seems like a distraction from the main game.

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:57 am

Nick wrote:For sooth good sir, tis a fine looking piece of wood thou duth havest for the top of this lute. Utmost good fortune in carving of the soundhole..........or you could get it laser cut :lol: :lol: .
Glad to see you've taken up the tools on this one again Martin, will you be cutting/piercing the soundhole before heading out to the rig or leave it until your return?
Nick, it's cyclone season in the NW and the rig is currently demanned. Theyve still got a testing program to get finished so I dont think Ill be back at work till mid February.
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by charangohabsburg » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:12 am

kiwigeo wrote: [...] so I dont think Ill be back at work till mid February.
I hope this is good news for your swiss spruce lute top. ;)
I see that you even use some swiss knives (Pfeil). It's really nice to see that we (swiss) have more to export than just perforated cheese. :lol:

OT: I have my own swiss spruce I planted as a seed when I was a child. The tree is now 40 years old. If it would be cut down now it would make some nice sopranino uke tops (or 3-piece soprano uke tops). For a fine lute top it had to wait at least some 150 years more...
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:13 pm

charangohabsburg wrote:
kiwigeo wrote: [...] so I dont think Ill be back at work till mid February.
I hope this is good news for your swiss spruce lute top. ;)
I see that you even use some swiss knives (Pfeil). It's really nice to see that we (swiss) have more to export than just perforated cheese. :lol:

OT: I have my own swiss spruce I planted as a seed when I was a child. The tree is now 40 years old. If it would be cut down now it would make some nice sopranino uke tops (or 3-piece soprano uke tops). For a fine lute top it had to wait at least some 150 years more...
Swiss spruce...swiss violin knives......and Ive even got a Swiss brother in law.

That tree looks nice....how much do you want for it?? :mrgreen:
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:13 pm

More work on the rosette today. Got all the cutting/punching out done. It went pretty fast as Ive already done this pattern 5 times during the practise runs. From the arsenal of tools the ones that got the most use were two of the home made microchisels and 1.5mm and 3mm Pfeil microchisel. I would have got more done but the rest of the day was spent f******ng with the workshop dehumidifier....the thing finally choked up with wood dust and started overflowing into the shop.
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Post by Allen » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:21 pm

I just showed the progress pictures to Karen and she said "Oh my Lord". Pretty well sums it up.

Does the Optivisor work well for this sort of thing? I had thought about getting something like that, but I'm worried that it's so bloody hot and humid up here that it would just fog up on me.
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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by kiwigeo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:28 pm

Allen,

The Optivisor is useful for work such as a lute rosette where youre working small scale. There are only two negative comments I would make:

1. I often forget Ive got the Optivisor on my head and walk down to the shops wearing it. Not a huge deal as most of the locals know Im a nutter anyway.
2. the Optivisor leaves a big fat line around my head when I take it off......on my nearly nude nut it looks like someone has whipped off the top of my nut, extracter my brain and then popped the lid back on.

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Re: Lute Progress - Test runs for cutting the rosette

Post by Clancy » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:32 pm

Shit that did go quick. :shock:
I expected that to take a couple of days.
Nice sharp corners too.
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Post by Allen » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:33 pm

I'm in the same boat as you Martin. About the only place hair wants to grow these days is in places that it didn't when I was younger. :shock:
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Post by J.F. Custom » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:10 pm

kiwigeo wrote: 1. I often forget Ive got the Optivisor on my head and walk down to the shops wearing it. Not a huge deal as most of the locals know Im a nutter anyway.
2. the Optivisor leaves a big fat line around my head when I take it off......on my nearly nude nut it looks like someone has whipped off the top of my nut, extracter my brain and then popped the lid back on.

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:lol: At least the public are likely to step well out of your way in crowded areas; could be quite a handy thing. No queues, clear footpaths... I'll have to consider that in my town among the hordes of tourists of a weekend... 8)

Lovely looking work there Martin. I'm really looking forward to seeing this one finished up.

As a side, you may be interested in this. I was given this guys (Joseph Tawardos) new CD for christmas. Jazz meets the Middle East?? I know it is an Oud, not a lute but still... Pretty impressive skills from this young aussie, not to mention his brother the percussionist. As are the instruments of the luthier that built his Oud too - Faruk Turunz - http://www.oudmaster.com/. Interestingly, he utilizes nomex double tops on some of his Ouds.


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Post by Nick » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:12 am

That came out well Martin, good job you'd done a few practice runs beforehand :wink: Should look sweet once you carve the 'under & overs'. My workmate quite often wears an optivisor with his own glasses & on occassion uses a magnifying glass as well! It was only ten years ago he was giving people who wore glasses a hard time, coming back to bite him on the bum now!

Thanks for the Vid Jeremy, very interesting....not to mention Patitucci is a monster! & of course Abercrombie & DeJohnette are no slouches either. Might have to keep an eye out for that CD.
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Post by sebastiaan56 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:36 am

Looking good Martin, lets hear it for extended breaks!

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Post by simonm » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:35 am

kiwigeo wrote:Latest progress. The top has been worked to final thickness with a block plane and then scrapers. Thickness is around 1.8mm just south of the bridge and gets down to 1.3mm in the rosette area. ...
I built a 10 course renaissance lute a long time ago. If memory serves it was about 1.1mm at the edges and 0.9mm at the rosette. I was using someone elses for and I believe it was based on one by Frei in the the museum in Vienna. I found doing the rosette quite nerve racking.

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Post by kiwigeo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:46 am

simonm wrote:
kiwigeo wrote:Latest progress. The top has been worked to final thickness with a block plane and then scrapers. Thickness is around 1.8mm just south of the bridge and gets down to 1.3mm in the rosette area. ...
I built a 10 course renaissance lute a long time ago. If memory serves it was about 1.1mm at the edges and 0.9mm at the rosette. I was using someone elses for and I believe it was based on one by Frei in the the museum in Vienna. I found doing the rosette quite nerve racking.
Hi Simon,

I could have gone a bit thinner in the rosette area but my thickness guage has a margin of error that made this a bit dangerous. Around the perimeter of the top I went down to 1.5mm. The top was starting to get a bit floppy so thats where I stopped.
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Post by Dominic » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:36 am

Nice work Martin. BTW, have you got the lights on your optivisor? I have found them really useful for this close work because you often cast a shadow when you get up close.
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Post by kiwigeo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:41 am

No lights on the visor Dom but I have a crane lamp which hangs over the table close to the work and the shop has fluros and halogens.
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