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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by needsmorecowbel » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:49 am

I've got a section of old 50mm laminated chipboard benchtop (for a kitchen) I was thinking of turning into a router table at some point. Might be a bit hard to mount the router though as it is chipboard and so thick. Any ideas?

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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:22 pm

needsmorecowbel wrote:I've got a section of old 50mm laminated chipboard benchtop (for a kitchen) I was thinking of turning into a router table at some point. Might be a bit hard to mount the router though as it is chipboard and so thick. Any ideas?
Ideally if youre using laminated sheet it should be laminated both sides to reduce chance of warping. Alternately you need to seal side that isnt laminated.

50mm thick wont be a problem if youre using a router lifter.....it sits in a recessed opening the depth of which is governed by thickness of the lifter plate.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:41 pm

A few pics of the router table top along with the lifter and router.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Nick » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:52 pm

Second clamp from the left top hasn't got enough pressure on it & the fourth has too much! Geez do you want to get this thing right or not? :lol:

The Unilift's a bit flash Martin! Puts my old table to shame :oops:
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:42 pm

Nick wrote:Second clamp from the left top hasn't got enough pressure on it & the fourth has too much! Geez do you want to get this thing right or not? :lol:

The Unilift's a bit flash Martin! Puts my old table to shame :oops:
Was going to park the Mazda on it overnight but the boss needed the car for work.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by auscab » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:09 pm

Shoot!!That's a nice looking bit of equipment Martin. did you order it here or OS?
Nice to be able to adjust depth of cut from the top.

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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Tod Gilding » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:18 pm

auscab wrote:
Tod Gilding wrote:How About Posting Your Table Build Martin :D , I'm Thinking about making One Myself and would'nt mind seeing how you go about yours.
Would you like to see a Dovetailed treated pine ex packing crate version, with cutter drawer locking wheels .
MMMMMMMMMM Now Your Talkin Rob
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by liam_fnq » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:20 pm

Yes please Rob.

Martin, I've had problems gluing MDF with titebond. I made a sanding station for the drill press and it cupped up so that the drum wasn't square to the table. When I peeled the two pieces apart they were barely glued together. The joint was starved due to the MDF soaking up the glue. I hate mixing up epoxy because it's messy, time consuming, hazardous etc. So now I just screw all my jigs and molds together. It's easy, fast and if I want to cannabalise one jig into another it's easily done.

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Post by kiwigeo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:51 pm

auscab wrote:Shoot!!That's a nice looking bit of equipment Martin. did you order it here or OS?
Nice to be able to adjust depth of cut from the top.
Got it here Rob: http://www.woodworksupplies.com.au/

Not sure if the unilift is still available. I heard a rumour that Woodpecker Australia are calling for expressions of interest for a re-release of the unilift.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by auscab » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:14 pm

She's on the third router now ,I made it in about 1988. the first two routers were Makita's.
The Porter Cable is good but I learned the hard way to tighten the height adjustment before turning it on.
The start up force of the motor can reverse spin it out of the housing. Gravity helping it along. :oops: It was a trial run and the switch was on and I was turning it on at the wall.
Apart from that it's been good . The top is an old bit of Kitchen bench with laminex. The body dovetailed and held with HHG. The wheels have brakes and it lives under the radial arm saw. A roughy but She's done so much work.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by auscab » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:33 pm

Looks like there is a type 2 out.
They may have worked out a cheaper way to make them possibly ?

http://www.woodpeck.com/prlv2.html

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Post by Kim » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:59 pm

kiwigeo wrote:
auscab wrote:Shoot!!That's a nice looking bit of equipment Martin. did you order it here or OS?
Nice to be able to adjust depth of cut from the top.
Got it here Rob: http://www.woodworksupplies.com.au/

Not sure if the unilift is still available. I heard a rumour that Woodpecker Australia are calling for expressions of interest for a re-release of the unilift.
If I recall correctly the expressions of interest by woodworksupplies.com.au were related to a single run by Woodpecker of the now obsolete unilift model which accepts a 'plunge' router...they stopped making these some time back because USA demand is mainly for fixed router units such as those larger beasts in the Porter-cable range. I seem to remember the asking price to get in on the order was hideous...nice unit and all but for that sort of money I reckon I could have a hooker come into the shop whenever I need to raise me bit and still come out on top... :wink:

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Post by kiwigeo » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:18 pm

Kim wrote:
If I recall correctly the expressions of interest by woodworksupplies.com.au were related to a single run by Woodpecker of the now obsolete unilift model which accepts a 'plunge' router...they stopped making these some time back because USA demand is mainly for fixed router units such as those larger beasts in the Porter-cable range. I seem to remember the asking price to get in on the order was hideous...nice unit and all but for that sort of money I reckon I could have a hooker come into the shop whenever I need to raise me bit and still come out on top... :wink:

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Think I paid around $800 for my Unilift....
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by jeffhigh » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:15 pm

For years mine was the same as the top of Auscab's, just a piece of chipboard with the router screwed to it.
I just clamped it to the tablesaw bed, clamped a fence on and basically just used it to cut truss rod slots.

Now I have one of these

http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/W846

Actually I had the previous model, but the router lift mechanism would not lock firmly in position so the bit wobbled around.
After 12 months I cut a 1/4" slot that ended up 8.5mm wide I got jack of that and called Hare and Forbes who said "we'l send you a replacement, keep the other for spares".
This one works

I still basically just use it to cut truss rod slots. or sometimes with a pattern bit.
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Post by Kim » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:55 pm

jeffhigh wrote: I got jack of that and called Hare and Forbes who said "we'l send you a replacement, keep the other for spares".
This one works.
"we'l" you can't argue with that for service Jeff. Hats off to Hare and Forbes for understanding the principal and benefits to a business of building a loyal customer base and managing to avoid getting themselves involved in that silly game doing all a disservice of trying to compete for market share via the cheapest possible price point regardless of how close to landfill the products at hand was when it had been ticked off for the production line with not a single thought for after market support. :cl :cl :cl

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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:27 am

Rough cut the recess for the router lifter and had a look at the glue bond between the two sheets...its all good. Had to look really hard to see the glue joint.

Havent yet decided how overboard Im going to go with the cabinet part of the table. Would be nice to have a bunch of drawers to hold all my routing sh*t and dust extraction is a must. Need to consider the fence as well. Ive got a Rockler ready made fence but it wont allow dust extraction at the bit. Might make up my own fence.
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Nick » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:45 am

kiwigeo wrote:Might make up my own fence.
Here's a few to give you some ideas
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:37 am

Actually the last fence I built was for the Japanese garden...ended up costing $8000. Part of that cost was the 2000 screws holding the thing together.
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Post by charangohabsburg » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:45 am

kiwigeo wrote:Actually the last fence I built was for the Japanese garden...ended up costing $8000. Part of that cost was the 2000 screws holding the thing together.
So it were the screws which screwed up the price of the fence?
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Tod Gilding » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:13 pm

Carefull Marcus he may take affence :D

Sorry I couldn't help myself :mrgreen:
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by kiwigeo » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:38 pm

Enough of the fence posts..... :?
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by auscab » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:40 pm

I have a plan from a magazine of a spindle moulder type set up , Motor and pulley with a dovetailed way made in timber. that I would like to do one day

If I ever get around to doing that for a router set up

I would like to be glueing down to the top and fences 2 or 3 mm sheet steel , It cuts easy with a jig saw and steel blade and could be 2 packed down. Then I could use these

http://www.carbatec.com.au/magswitch-magjigs_c20286

http://www.carbatec.com.au/magswitch-fe ... kit_c21818

I have the switches in the first link and they are a great thing, but I cant use them on my inverted router, I use them on the table saw and band saw for quick positioning of secondary fences.

We sometimes cut across the blade on the table saw to get a radius cut for part of a moulding ,These things are great for setting up that sort of fence on a saw.


The whole range Carbatec have is here

http://www.carbatec.com.au/main_page/ad ... /magswitch

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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Trevor Gore » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:46 pm

Not about adhesive, but for those considering investing in router lifts etc. check out the Triton router. Effectively has it's own lift built in, so you get one for free. It's a pretty popular model; I have one, Gerard has one, Dom has one, just to name a few.

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Post by Nick » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:00 pm

kiwigeo wrote:Enough of the fence posts..... :?
Think that should've just about nailed it :wink:
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Re: Adhesive advice

Post by Kim » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Nick wrote:
kiwigeo wrote:Enough of the fence posts..... :?
Think that should've just about nailed it :wink:
Careful Nick, that's pretty boarder line...... :wink:

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