Fibre Veneer in big sheets?

[slowlearner]

More qus?

Where can I get this stuff in big sheets or rolls in Australia?

http://luthierssupplies.com.au/index.ph ... 33_777_143

[Kim]

As I recall the black fibre (sintered paper) is used in the electrical industry. A couple of years back, maybe 4 or more, a few members looked at getting a roll send direct from the manufacturers in China. I believe the deal killer was a 1 metre wide x 1 kilometer long minimum order.. At around 1 metric ton per roll shipping was going to be problematic also.

I don't think anyone has followed up since then but these supply houses must be getting it from a distributor somewhere, if you have any luck finding out then let us know.

Cheers

Kim

[kiwigeo]

As I recall the black fibre (sintered paper) is used in the electrical industry. A couple of years back, maybe 4 or more, a few members looked at getting a roll send direct from the manufacturers in China. I believe the deal killer was a 1 metre wide x 1 kilometer long minimum order.. At around 1 metric ton per roll shipping was going to be problematic also.

I don't think anyone has followed up since then but these supply houses must be getting it from a distributor somewhere, if you have any luck finding out then let us know.

Cheers

Kim

I suggest a few of us go part shares in a cargo plane.....

[needsmorecowbel]

I think I would rather fly with ANZLF airways than the North Korean one that just started operations....yeeesh

[Nick]

LMI do the 150 wide x 900 long sheets in various thicknesses but any bigger than that I wouldn't have a clue!

[slowlearner]

Yes, they do.

Is there any reason why you couldn't use black cardboard?

[Nick]

One thing I forgot to add (bugger the not editing after a time limit rule! ) but the thicker LMI stuff (the 0.060") if used as a headstock facing or rear face, can be up & down like a whores drawers after gluing & needs sanding to level, but then I've run into the problem of the high spots turning grey & they don't darken back up under finish! I complained the first time I found this & LMI did send me a replacement sheet but that did it too So I only ever use the thinner stuff now for purf lines.
Black cardboard? Maybe some sort of art paper may hold together under a finish but not sure of the properties of cardboard once it's had a good soaking of finish, not sure I'd trust it's strength if you were laminating in to a neck or body either.

[deadedith]

Up and down like a whore's drawers?
I cannot believe that I have never heard that before. Sure is descriptive.

[Nick]

Up and down like a whore's drawers?
I cannot believe that I have never heard that before. Sure is descriptive.

I'm full of 'em Dave Years of working in engineering workshops, it's one step up from a roadworker's vocabulary.

[Bob Connor]

It's also known as fish paper. I've got some that I haven't used for a few years.

I used it in laminated necks but I found that after a few months under lacquer the stuff expanded and you could feel definite lines up and down the neck. So I've decided not to use it at all.

I think you'd be better off with wood veneer.


Regards

[rocket]

Peter Scott-Young in Ringwood will probably have it.

[Kim]

It's also known as fish paper. I've got some that I haven't used for a few years.

I used it in laminated necks but I found that after a few months under lacquer the stuff expanded and you could feel definite lines up and down the neck. So I've decided not to use it at all.

I think you'd be better off with wood veneer.


Regards

I have my suspicions that not all 'fish paper' is created equal Bob. Quite a few years ago, I think well before anyone else had the stuff listed, I bought a few strips of fish paper from John Watkins at CNC Luthierie.

I seem to recall it had been John whom had introduced many builders to the use of the product while he had that business and had been a forum sponsor of the OLF and made a post about his process. His work was pretty special BTW.

Anyhow the stuff John had sent me was 'really' stiff, almost resin like. It was a paper because you could see the fibres, but it was 'hard' with loads of spring back when you tried to roll it up. I am pretty sure it was John who had later told me in a phone conversation that the product is made from sintered fibre. If that is the case then it sounds like the proper stuff is pretty much like phenolic sheet where resin and fibre are mixed and heated under pressure to a point where the fibre begins to convert to carbon thereby reducing the fibres potential to be hygoscopic.

Forward a few years and John had moved on and closed his website so I had shipped a few more strips of "fish paper" in from another USA vendor....not the same. The stuff I received seemed more like a stiff cardboard and when it was compared against off cut strips of what John had sent, the newer stuff looked dark grey and not really black. I suspect the newer stuff is in fact just cardboard.

I am not suggesting this later vendor had 'purposefully' substituted a cheaper, unsuitable product. My guess is that they simply didn't know any better because that hadn't had any direct experience using the stuff themselves and had assumed when demand had been spurred by John's posts at the OLF that stiff black paper is just that so went ahead and procured a big roll at the best price they could and started cutting up 6" x 30" strips just like John had listed on his site.

This is of course mainly speculation but I have a feeling its not too far from the truth.

Cheers

Kim

[EricDownunder]

Brain wave, I have quite a bit of light coloured .6 veneer, if I thined some nitrocelulous die and soaked it to get the bright colours like blue, red, yellow etc do you think it would work?

[slowlearner]

Yep. I just ordered some of this stuff the other day....

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dyed-Black-P ... 19d646c6bd